Prathap Nair: This is record of change, a podcast that documents how people’s lives are being shaped by the coronavirus pandemic.
Prathap Nair: I’m Prathap Nair and with me are Huy, Kecheng, Stephanie and Thomas.
Prathap Nair: You may not have heard from Thomas because he's the behind the scenes magician who edits, produces and makes the episodes listenable along with Matthias.
Prathap Nair: So today we’re gathered here to make a shorter update episode, to provide some context on how the first season of the podcast and the team came together.
Prathap Nair: So Matthias, can you talk about the nitty gritties of putting this podcast together?
Prathap Nair: Like getting the project grant, finding team members and diversifying the group.
Matthias Jochmann: Sure.
Matthias Jochmann: So I think all of us remember when this pandemic started, that there was a lot of campaigning in the social
Matthias Jochmann: media that we are all in this together and, stay at home and this stuff and people were clapping on balconies.
Matthias Jochmann: What I found very interesting about this moment was I felt like this is the first time maybe ever, at
Matthias Jochmann: least in my lifetime, that there's something happening for everyone at the same time, all over the world.
Matthias Jochmann: So this was kind of the starting point of all.
Matthias Jochmann: Actually, we all have something in common - no matter where we are, how rich we are, whatever's our background.
Matthias Jochmann: So this was the initial motivation.
Matthias Jochmann: And then, together with my friend Kim, we started brainstorming about a podcast idea to listen to people to record this change that we all go
Matthias Jochmann: through because by then when we started this, which was maybe in February, March, 2020, we thought, Oh, our sense for time is so different right now.
Matthias Jochmann: By then I was still in Palestine and working there for an international organization and it already felt like - time feels so different.
Matthias Jochmann: And now looking back now it's October and it feels like two years have passed, but it's only a couple of months.
Matthias Jochmann: And then we thought it would be great to have a number of interviewees from all over the world who share their perspectives.
Matthias Jochmann: And since we were like two westerners, global North people sitting in Germany, we're thinking, oh, we should diversify the team.
Matthias Jochmann: So we have a team that, is a bit more diverse than the two of us were.
Matthias Jochmann: And we needed to get interviewees.
Matthias Jochmann: I mean, even though I have worked a bit in Asia, maybe someone from Asia would be more interesting to interview someone from Asia.
Matthias Jochmann: So you are a bit closer by profession by cultural background or location or so, and then there was this open call by the Bosch alumni network for online activities.
Matthias Jochmann: And, we luckily got a grant that at least provides some kind of remuneration for us, the team, so that we could approach
Matthias Jochmann: people in a bit more professional way than not just doing it on a voluntary basis, but also provide some, some small fee.
Matthias Jochmann: And, yeah, so.
Matthias Jochmann: One by one, we put together this team and now it's the six of us here and I'm very happy about this team.
Matthias Jochmann: We went already through a nice process.
Matthias Jochmann: We started building up this team - how do we want to work together?
Matthias Jochmann: What are our tasks?
Matthias Jochmann: We meet every week, which is great, to catch up and also to improve our podcasts.
Matthias Jochmann: And together we identified I think a great number of people - interviewees that are located all across the globe and super diverse.
Thomas Reintjes: And there's even still the seventh person you mentioned – our friend Kim.
Thomas Reintjes: She is also the member of our team where too, just like me, this is Thomas, by the way, the background magician that Prathap talked about.
Thomas Reintjes: And she's the other one of those.
Prathap Nair: Should we talk about how we went about finding our subject or is that too much detail?
Matthias Jochmann: Very briefly, because I think it's kind of unique or it's a bit
Matthias Jochmann: outstanding that we have never met in person in this group, we all met online only, right.
Prathap Nair: Yeah, I've never met any of you guys.
Prathap Nair: I immediately had Didem in mind, the person I interviewed first, because she lives in Istanbul and at that time, Turkey wasn’t in our list.
Prathap Nair: And, Huy you want to tell us how you found Ray.
An Huy Tran: Yeah, sure.
An Huy Tran: I knew Ray from actually six years ago in an exchange program.
An Huy Tran: We took part in an exchange program with other youths from Southeast Asian countries.
An Huy Tran: And, after the program, we weren’t in touch.
An Huy Tran: I got his Facebook and then he posted one day, I saw that he became a flight attendant.
An Huy Tran: I congratulated him and he talked about how happy he was to find that job.
An Huy Tran: And, after that, we also didn't talk much about it.
An Huy Tran: I just know that, well, now that he is a flight attendant and then after coronavirus got known worldwide.
An Huy Tran: One day I saw him posting a picture of himself wearing a uniform of a barista.
An Huy Tran: And then he talked about how he has to change his profession for a little bit because of the pandemic.
An Huy Tran: And then I read the whole post and then I thought to myself, it was like really fascinating what he has gone through.
An Huy Tran: But at that time I didn't expect that I would attend or like take part in this podcast project.
An Huy Tran: And then we talked for a little bit about, putting this project together then I thought, well, I think he’s the right person to share his story.
Prathap Nair: Now Kecheng, do you want to go?
Prathap Nair: Would you like to tell us?
Kecheng Fang: Yes.
Kecheng Fang: Sure.
Kecheng Fang: So when Matthias first invited me to this project, my initial idea was to find some
Kecheng Fang: journalist friends who went to Wuhan in January or February, where the pandemic first broke.
Kecheng Fang: They would have interesting stories to share.
Kecheng Fang: Unfortunately my journalist friends were either too private or not confident in speaking English.
Kecheng Fang: So, I had to find someone else.
Kecheng Fang: Then I remembered Wenni who was infected with COVID-19.
Kecheng Fang: And I, I know this because she posted a lot about this situation on Facebook, about her experience.
Kecheng Fang: So I think, okay, that's a firsthand source, right?
Kecheng Fang: So, it's even better to directly talk to a person who had the firsthand appearance.
Kecheng Fang: So I'm sure he has a lot to share and I was personally very interested in her story.
Kecheng Fang: And then she invited her husband to join.
Kecheng Fang: So, actually her husband actually spent much longer time in hospital than her.
Kecheng Fang: So I interviewed both of them together.
Kecheng Fang: So that's how I found them, basically also I think Facebook played an important part here for us to get to know this person more directly.
Prathap Nair: Thanks for sharing that with us Kecheng.
Prathap Nair: Matthias.
Matthias Jochmann: Yes.
Matthias Jochmann: I interviewed a Fidaa who I also never met in person.
Matthias Jochmann: But as I mentioned, I worked for this international organization in Palestine and based in Ramallah and so I worked since January this year, actually.
Matthias Jochmann: And I was very eager to have a perspective involved from this region because it's very special.
Matthias Jochmann: And then when we started talking about lockdown, I thought, Oh, actually people in Gaza, they are faced with sort of lockdown for 12 years already.
Matthias Jochmann: So I was very eager to have this included and after reaching out to some friends, I got the contact of Fidaa who was luckily willing to share her perspective.
Matthias Jochmann: My other interviewer Mike is a well-known playwrights and activist in Cape town.
Matthias Jochmann: We actually met, I think, five years ago in China, in Guangzhou Southern China, in a workshop because we were both
Matthias Jochmann: involved in the theater and yeah, I haven't been in touch with him for long and I didn't know what he was doing and stuff.
Matthias Jochmann: When we talked about different locations of interview, just reached out to him thinking, Oh, he could be in very interesting person talking
Matthias Jochmann: about culture, talking about, global South talking about, yeah, there's these inequities that are even more visible now during the pandemic.
Prathap Nair: Yeah.
Prathap Nair: Stephanie came on board a little later when we were trying to talk to someone from the U S.
Prathap Nair: Can you tell us a bit?
Stephanie Raible: McKenzie, at least in concept, found me.
Stephanie Raible: As someone who teaches undergraduates and works with a lot of 18 through 22 year olds, I think Kim thought I might be a good person to add to the team.
Stephanie Raible: So in finding Mackenzie, it's interesting this summer, I, oddly enough, I don't interact with many high school students.
Stephanie Raible: I usually only find them after they graduate, but I happened to meet Mackenzie in August of 2020.
Stephanie Raible: And I met her through her internship and as someone who teaches social entrepreneurship, we were
Stephanie Raible: kind of scouting around for activities that we could do remotely with our students at the university.
Stephanie Raible: And I met McKenzie when she was an intern.
Stephanie Raible: And I remember thinking she's gone through this very typical us experience of, of kind
Stephanie Raible: of losing out on that typical end of high school experience that we all see in movies.
Stephanie Raible: And it's just very iconic, but at the same time, she's very atypical as a person.
Stephanie Raible: So she decided to take this gap year.
Stephanie Raible: So she's not kind of following this traditional path that she'll go to university next year.
Stephanie Raible: But, I, all of a sudden, when we were trying to think about who might be, kind of a good person to fill this role,
Stephanie Raible: I didn't immediately think of her, but then all of a sudden it just clicked that she was in this perfect position.
Stephanie Raible: So yeah, that's how I found Mackenzie.
Prathap Nair: Thanks for filling us in Stephanie.
Prathap Nair: How was it to make a podcast during the pandemic for each of us?
Prathap Nair: Stephanie, would you like to go.
Stephanie Raible: I think for me, the hardest thing is actually trusting that there's a vision
Stephanie Raible: in a way, because it seems like everybody and their neighbor's currently launching a podcast.
Stephanie Raible: So, I think what it is I, I never like hearing my own voice, but I think being a part of
Stephanie Raible: this team, and, and this is where I give my, my, my tear kind of like smiley tear emoji.
Stephanie Raible: I think this group is fantastic.
Stephanie Raible: And, when I kind of got looped into this, some of the folks who would be on the team, I thought, you know, this is exactly something that I would love to do.
Stephanie Raible: I don't want to hear myself talk, but I love stories.
Stephanie Raible: I'm someone that even as a researcher, I center around stories.
Stephanie Raible: So it just seems like a great opportunity to meet people and to do this kind of work.
Stephanie Raible: So, yeah, I'm selfishly very happy that I got to be a part of it.
Prathap Nair: Interesting.
An Huy Tran: From a perspective of diversifying the profile of the interviewers, because we only have,
An Huy Tran: like, before you joined the team, we only have male identify interviewers before you joined team.
An Huy Tran: So I think it is a great plus for us when you joined.
Matthias Jochmann: Not only because you're a woman.
An Huy Tran: of course.
Stephanie Raible: Well, if it helps any, it only occurred to me yesterday and I'm a part of this group for several months that I'm like, wait a minute.
Stephanie Raible: I'm actually the only woman.
Prathap Nair: You don't see gender.
Thomas Reintjes: So you're asking about difficulties, right?
Thomas Reintjes: And, so I'm a radio producer.
Thomas Reintjes: And so for me, this pandemic has been just very challenging and trying to record good
Thomas Reintjes: audio because I love my job as a radio producer because it enables me to meet people.
Thomas Reintjes: Right.
Thomas Reintjes: It gives me permission to tell people that, hey, I want to come to your place.
Thomas Reintjes: I want to meet you.
Thomas Reintjes: I want to look around and I want to interview you and with my professional recording gear and microphone, right?
Thomas Reintjes: And now we are sitting at home.
Thomas Reintjes: We can't meet to meet each other and.
Thomas Reintjes: We still have to try and record good audio and record this moment.
Thomas Reintjes: And, so figuring out how to do that.
Thomas Reintjes: And for this podcast in particular, like finding a solution to record people that works in every place and that everybody can do.
Thomas Reintjes: And that still delivers a good quality - that has been challenging.
Thomas Reintjes: And you can hear that in some of the episodes, some of the audio is better.
Thomas Reintjes: Some of the audio is not so great, so we are still learning and trying to figure that out.
Thomas Reintjes: And it also, of course, it depends now on what everybody has at home, what technology do they have at their disposal?
Thomas Reintjes: But I think in general we nailed it.
Thomas Reintjes: I have to do a shout out to TalkSync, which is a brand new app, which just appeared in the right moment.
Thomas Reintjes: And it helps you to record on a smartphone.
Thomas Reintjes: I think it's super easy and, yeah, they're doing a great job.
Prathap Nair: Yeah.
Prathap Nair: So that's been the interesting aspect for me as well.
Prathap Nair: I'd love to go out on the field and report because I'm a journalist, but of course now that's not possible.
Prathap Nair: So we're all limited by this pandemic.
Prathap Nair: So yeah, that's been something,
Matthias Jochmann: The challenge is to set up team call with all of us because we're located in, three, four, five different time zones.
Matthias Jochmann: So there's East coast, us, the majority in Germany and, Hong Kong.
Matthias Jochmann: And Huy, you were in Tokyo until two weeks ago.
Matthias Jochmann: So now the most suitable time that we found was 8:00 AM for our US colleagues and Kecheng in Hong Kong.
Matthias Jochmann: So it's kind of the only possible time that we can talk, sort of not to ruin someone's sleep.
Prathap Nair: Is there a favorite clip to anecdote to share from season one?
An Huy Tran: Yeah.
An Huy Tran: So for me, personally, I don't have a specific quote or citations, but there was one detail in Kecheng’s episode that really catch my attention.
An Huy Tran: So when, when you talk about her experiences of being hospitalized with her, and then, all of the nurses and all of the doctors
An Huy Tran: kind of like kept a certain distance from them, but then there were these cleaning ladies who came and then offer them snacks.
An Huy Tran: And then like, they tried to talk to Wenni and her husband so that they would not feel too lonely.
An Huy Tran: I mean, that was something for me, personally, very, very nice and very humanized, you know?
An Huy Tran: Because of course it is different kinds of humanization because for the nurses and for the doctors,
An Huy Tran: they are also doing a very nice job for helping Wenni and her husband to recover from the disease.
An Huy Tran: But when they were in the hospital, I think they were really lonely.
An Huy Tran: And then with such kind of like small but nice interaction, I think it made their day.
Kecheng Fang: Hmm.
Kecheng Fang: Yes.
Kecheng Fang: So actually I asked that question because they posted on Facebook about her interactions with these care workers, cleaning ladies.
Kecheng Fang: So I was touched by reading her updates on Facebook.
Kecheng Fang: So that's why I deliberately ask her about these interactions.
Kecheng Fang: I really wanted to share that with the audience.
Kecheng Fang: So yes, I want to mention a quote also from Wenni and a Dominic's episodes.
Kecheng Fang: Dominic said that after being in hospital for about like two months, he felt like, he’s skiing for the first time.
Kecheng Fang: So yeah, that touched me because yes, it's difficult to, to imagine what it's like to
Kecheng Fang: be staying in a hospital without actually directly touching the sunshine for two months.
Kecheng Fang: So that must be difficult but I'm also glad to learn that they both got some positive things
Thomas Reintjes: yeah, I think for me, the Alkis episode is one of my favorites maybe because I'm self-employed as well.
Thomas Reintjes: Like in his case, it’s even more at stake because it's a family business.
Thomas Reintjes: And I was really feeling that pressure that he was under.
Thomas Reintjes: And also I find it interesting to hear how he changed the menu of the restaurant.
Thomas Reintjes: So thinking about the fact that a restaurant menu reflect this time, somehow I found that really interesting.
Thomas Reintjes: And then he shared this roasted watermelon recipe.
Thomas Reintjes: That's like my favorite moment of the this season.
Thomas Reintjes: And it's maybe it's also because I'm vegetarian.
Thomas Reintjes: I'm not vegan, but vegetarian.
Thomas Reintjes: So.
Thomas Reintjes: I so want this watermelon and I put it on my bucket list whenever I should.
Thomas Reintjes: If I make it to Athens sometime, I want to go to his restaurant for that watermelon and honestly like, it feels so much like comfort food.
Thomas Reintjes: I just feel this immense craving for his roasted watermelon and the carrots that taste like salmon.
Thomas Reintjes: Fascinating.
Prathap Nair: I've heard a couple of people reach out to me also.
Prathap Nair: They told me the same thing about the watermelon.
Matthias Jochmann: In the episode, McKenzie from the US, there was one point when she
Matthias Jochmann: actually said: yeah, you know, I think my parents suffer more than we students do.
Matthias Jochmann: But then there was another moment I was editing or post producing this episode.
Matthias Jochmann: And there were several moments when I was wondering whether she's crying.
Stephanie Raible: Yeah.
Stephanie Raible: I think especially when, when she was talking about her parents and to give a little bit of context she was saying
Stephanie Raible: that a lot of the graduating high school going to prom, which is where everybody gets dressed up and goes and does
Stephanie Raible: a kind of like a dance and all these other things that you see at the end of a high school experience, you know?
Stephanie Raible: Yes.
Stephanie Raible: She missed out, but as someone who's kind of also looking to the future, she had a lot to look forward to in the
Stephanie Raible: sense that, you know, she's doing this gap year, she's eventually going to university, but for her parents, that's the
Stephanie Raible: last time that she's kind of home and that, you know, they get to miss taking pictures of her with her cap and gown.
Stephanie Raible: For me personally my pick would actually be Mike's episode because there was one point in it and I think this is where it
Stephanie Raible: connects to me professionally when he was saying that he wanted to preserve the dignity of the people that worked in the theater.
Stephanie Raible: And he was basically saying, you know, I don't want to give charity to these actors.
Stephanie Raible: I want them to be able to feel like they're earning that money that they bring in.
Stephanie Raible: I thought that was really insightful, because I think as someone who works in the social entrepreneurship realm
Stephanie Raible: and I previously used to teach cultural entrepreneurship, so people that are in kind of the cultural industries,
Stephanie Raible: it's interesting because that is the orientation that we have, but it's not the first one that people go to.
Stephanie Raible: It's usually the charity side of things saying, well, let's just bring in money and let's just give people money.
Stephanie Raible: But I think he's absolutely right that - especially when you've developed a craft over all of these years, and you're
Stephanie Raible: no longer able to use that craft and to share that, that magical experience with an audience, trying to think about how
Stephanie Raible: do you give someone that experience when it looks like for the foreseeable future that that's not going to be possible.
Stephanie Raible: So I thought that was really, insightful and creative.
Stephanie Raible: And I really even went on the website of the sand foundation just to see a little bit more about what they're doing.
Stephanie Raible: So I'm really hopeful that you know that goes well and that we can see in future episodes, how that maps out.
Prathap Nair: What has been the pandemics effect on your life?
Prathap Nair: How has your work evolved in this pandemic time?
Thomas Reintjes: You know I'm still renting a desk at a coworking space and paying good money for that, but for months I couldn't go there.
Thomas Reintjes: So I want to work from there - I mean I could work from anywhere - but I just didn't want to work from home because I feel like I need people around me.
Thomas Reintjes: And even if I don't interact with everyone in my coworking space, I feel like it's different environment.
Thomas Reintjes: It's a work environment.
Thomas Reintjes: I have people around me.
Thomas Reintjes: Yeah.
Thomas Reintjes: Sense of community.
Thomas Reintjes: And then suddenly being cut off from that and having to sit at home and just doing everything by myself.
Thomas Reintjes: Yeah, it's been strange so I hope that I could go back sometime… I go back now less than one once a week.
Thomas Reintjes: If I really have to be in that space, I go there, but I still wouldn't feel safe to spend all day every day there.
Thomas Reintjes: So, yeah, still working from home and still trying to adapt to that.
Thomas Reintjes: And my boyfriend has work from home as well, and we are trying to be at opposite ends of the apartment so that we’re not on top of each other all the time.
Prathap Nair: Okay.
Prathap Nair: So in my case, also, everything in my life has acquired a sort of stillness.
Prathap Nair: I miss traveling.
Prathap Nair: The most important part of traveling for me is that I work when I travel, I research for stories and I report them when I travel.
Prathap Nair: There are actually very few things you could do as a freelance desk reporter writing in English and living in Germany.
Prathap Nair: So I don't see the status quo changing for another year though.
Prathap Nair: Huy what's up with you.
Prathap Nair: You recently flew back to Germany from Tokyo, didn’t you?
An Huy Tran: Yeah, so basically when we started this project I was in Tokyo.
An Huy Tran: I'm an ethnographic researcher and I was at that time in Tokyo collecting data for my own research and my research had to do with migrants.
An Huy Tran: So I would do a face to face interview with them all the time and then do participant observations.
An Huy Tran: So I would go to large social gathering events and then do my observations.
An Huy Tran: And in January I just went back from a traveling trip from Taiwan to attend this last lunar new year party with the Vietnamese community there.
An Huy Tran: And then little did I know that actually was the last time that I would be out of Tokyo for the next half a year, or like for the next eight months.
An Huy Tran: Like after that, everything just went down here.
An Huy Tran: I couldn't even do any of my field work face to face anymore.
An Huy Tran: Like I couldn't talk to people face to face anymore.
An Huy Tran: So, as a researcher in the field at that moment, I was deeply frustrated.
An Huy Tran: But, I mean, like, I still consider myself to be in a pretty lucky position in comparisons to others who basically lost their jobs or had
An Huy Tran: their income severely infected affected because for me, I had to move everything online, but I could still do like management a little bit.
An Huy Tran: And, I stay in Tokyo until September.
An Huy Tran: And then I flew back from Tokyo to Germany.
An Huy Tran: It was a direct flight from Haneda to Frankfurt.
An Huy Tran: So it was 12 hours.
An Huy Tran: The funny thing was that after during the interview with Rey, he said, when he fly domestically, he has the full PPE on.
An Huy Tran: But I started to question myself or I started to question my own safety because when I stepped on the plane, I didn't see any PPE at all.
An Huy Tran: So the flight attendants just wear face mask and gloves.
Prathap Nair: Can you imagine wearing a PPE for 12 hours?
Prathap Nair: Matthias before this pandemic started you were also in Gaza?
Matthias Jochmann: No, I was in Ramallah.
Matthias Jochmann: Well, I'm supposed to be there still.
Matthias Jochmann: I have an apartment there.
Matthias Jochmann: I pay my rent there.
Matthias Jochmann: But when the pandemic started, my employer said, well, maybe it gets worse here, so you can go back home to Germany.
Matthias Jochmann: Then since my wife was pregnant already, we decided to go to Germany even though by then, which was end of March.
Matthias Jochmann: It was maybe on the peak until now in Germany and in Palestine and Israel was pretty low numbers.
Matthias Jochmann: So it wasn't weird and yeah when we left, we thought you had made a couple of weeks and stuff, so we just packed necessary stuff.
Matthias Jochmann: And, yeah, here we are.
Matthias Jochmann: We are still here.
Matthias Jochmann: Our baby was born in Germany instead of Jerusalem, which we already had everything
Matthias Jochmann: planned for, you know, like chose the hospital, sought out how to do it and stuff.
Matthias Jochmann: Now she was born in Germany and we are living in the house of my mom with my mom where I grew up.
Matthias Jochmann: So it's my wife, our daughter and me now living in my childhood bedroom.
Matthias Jochmann: And yeah, since end of March, I'm working remotely for Ramallah.
Prathap Nair: Yeah.
Thomas Reintjes: Sounds like you should do an episode about yes.
Matthias Jochmann: But, but I mean, I wanted to say earlier when we talked about our favorite episodes.
Matthias Jochmann: So, I think all of us and I would say most of our interviewers are from a sort of privileged part of society or societies.
Matthias Jochmann: I'm happy that we have also this perspective from an environment where, you know, people don't have the choice during pandemic times.
Matthias Jochmann: So this was something that touched me personally a lot.
Matthias Jochmann: Cause I have some colleagues that have family in Gaza and so on and colleagues that go to Gaza, if they can.
Matthias Jochmann: Yeah, it just touched me a lot hearing that.
Matthias Jochmann: I mean, they have a double lockdown, they've been locked down for years in the Gaza strip.
An Huy Tran: So Kecheng, how did the pandemic affect you?
Kecheng Fang: So I got a job, as an online teacher.
Kecheng Fang: So, but I feel okay.
Kecheng Fang: Yes.
Kecheng Fang: I think actually by teaching online, basically all of the course materials could be covered by online teaching mode but I feel bad for
Kecheng Fang: the students because I believe that for university students, classroom teaching lessons are only a small part of their university life.
Kecheng Fang: A major part of university life would be like a community, right.
Kecheng Fang: Connections with other students and teachers in the campus.
Kecheng Fang: So that is not possible now.
Kecheng Fang: So, I think the students got negatively affected more than teachers.
Kecheng Fang: So that's my story.
Kecheng Fang: And the other situation is that actually, because I have family and my parents are still in mainland China and I am now in Hong Kong.
Kecheng Fang: So actually, yeah, it used to be quite easy to travel between Hong Kong and mainland China.
Kecheng Fang: Yeah, you can travel to the neighboring city in mainland China very, very easily.
Kecheng Fang: I just take a subway and then you arrive.
Kecheng Fang: But, nowadays the border has been basically closed for like almost a year, so, yeah, we’re not able to travel to mainland, easily.
Kecheng Fang: So that creates a lot of difficulty especially when people have families in mainland China or they have families in Hong Kong, but they are now in mainland China.
Kecheng Fang: So, that's a major influence for people in Hong Kong.
Prathap Nair: Now we are in autumn already and the second wave is already upon us, do we have any thoughts for second season?
Stephanie Raible: I think from my end, I'm really excited to hear how McKenzie's current internship is going.
Stephanie Raible: So I spoke to her, I think a day or two before she was starting to work with an organization called vote.org
Stephanie Raible: here in the States, which is a nonpartisan organization that is trying to get folks registered to vote.
Stephanie Raible: So, it's an exciting place to work in a time like this.
Stephanie Raible: So should be very interesting.
Stephanie Raible: She’s probably one of the most interesting 18-year-old.
Thomas Reintjes: I really enjoyed this episode that we are recording right now because I learned a lot about all of you that I didn't know before.
Thomas Reintjes: So I'm also looking forward to that part where we learn more about natural relationship between you and your interviewees in the second round of interviews.
Prathap Nair: Yeah, for sure.
An Huy Tran: So I am actually writing like a chapter for my own dissertation on methodology.
An Huy Tran: And then I came across this term qualitative dance between the researcher and the research.
An Huy Tran: So it basically talks about the interactions between the interviewers and the people that the interviewer interrogates.
An Huy Tran: It's like a dance.
An Huy Tran: So we would promise to have more dancing in season two, I guess.
Prathap Nair: Look forward to it.
Matthias Jochmann: It's true.
Matthias Jochmann: I think I'm looking forward to hear every interview, user journey that they've gone through.
Matthias Jochmann: So I'm very grateful and very much looking forward to the interviewees journeys they are going through.
Kecheng Fang: Yes, same here and also I think we can have our interviewees tell us a little bit more about people around them so that we can get more perspectives.
Kecheng Fang: For example, as Tom and Matthias suggested we can ask Wenni to share the experience of her parents who are actually in mainland China.
Kecheng Fang: So that we can get to know more about how mainland China controlled this pandemic.
Kecheng Fang: So I think we can definitely get more interesting information and the perspectives in season two.